Letter Bee

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@Liotrent

Perhaps the goblins you displaced began to contest Yemarae lands and this led to the deal with the Eastern nomads that besieged @Letter Bee's cities. The goblin incursion made the Yemarae willing to make a deal with the nomads of the east, handle the goblins and be shown safe passage through Yemarae lands to the cities of the west. So the nomads and Yemarae would have spent a few years hunting and enslaving the goblins in Yemarae lands, bolstering the nomads ranks, and then the nomads would have marched on the west.

This way Bee, you, and me all have a history that fits together nicely.

@Dinh AaronMkI'll have a much more developed sheet ready to go tonight. Is the land claim on my wip provisionally OK?

@Crispy Octopus

I like it!

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Alexander Ascot

Before they departed, Alexander responded to Michael's words, "There are a few self-heating coffee cans in the trunk; get a couple and hand one over to me. Those ought to keep us awake before we go to the final crisis of the day."

Once the car began going, Alexander would remenisce, hopefully with a heated coffee can in his left hand, "You know, my family is most important to me; the only one more important to me than Will is my wife, Eleanor. She and I were around your age when we met for the first time, and she was recovering from an abusive household and a drug addiction. Imagine, a drug addiction so early in her life!

"Needless to say, and I never told her this, it was a hard decision to stand by her once I found out. I knew deep in my heart that it was the right thing to do, but I risked hell on earth if I stood up for her against her bullies." He kept looking at the lane, resisting the urge to take a glance at Michael. "Sometimes, there is horror in doing the right thing, horror that comes from having to pay the price for it. When I finally made my decision clear, my decision to defend her...things were hard for me as well. But I knew it was the right thing to do."

A sigh. "William, however...he is fearless and naive. He doesn't have most people's issues with doing the right thing when it's considered right. So others have to fear for him.

"He also believes that your leader, King, is an actual alien, and that there is a greater threat than the Ancient Evil, by the way."

@RoflsMazoy@Scarifar@Gentlemanvaultboy

Digimon: Counting Stars

What more do you need?

@Mike the Bloodwolf

Read the profiles for this RP. I want something as properly-formatted as they are, and a biography that is coherent and well-written (two paragraphs of five lines each at the minimum, and they must make sense).

Right now, your profile is slapdash and hastily/badly written and makes no sense. Sorry for being blunt.

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You might get concerned with Yllendthyr in the future, though. Unlikely it would include centaur raiders but most likely a naval invasion since as you can see my nation likes spreading near large bodies of water and to further assert naval dominance.
That being said Yllendthyr is playing a long game and also they are far more likely to resolve anything diplomatically than through arms. Many of their constituent states actually joined the Empire almost willingly, seeing benefit in the deal than mounting up a resistance.

@Willy Vereb

So, we'll be trying to diploannex each other, then?

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<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>They shouldn't be your main opponent for sure. Some of them are currently even serving Yllendthyr. They are more like a border concern at best since the tribes aren't united and you can only expect raiding parties rather than anything close to a legitimate invasion.

@Willy Vereb

<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>

I'm tweaking the original idea a bit here. The Yemarae's animosity in this scenario would mostly be directed west where there was significant Yemarae settlement in the past. While I doubt they'd be best buddies with the eastern nomads they'd have no oral histories of massacres or betrayals in the east. The original deal would have been a sort of 'no down side' for the Yemarae. Free money and a way to enact some token revenge on the west without losing a single warrior? Of course now that the remnants of the nomads are integrating with the Yemarae things are decidedly more complicated.

A lot of this is still percolating in my head and I need to talk to @Liotrent but I've got a good idea of how the Yemarae will fit into this world now.

@Crispy Octopus

Both of you: Ah, that'd be interesting.

Forgotten Worlds

Yeah as to that I doubt the Yemarae are an imminent threat to you either @Letter Bee.

There would be tension, and perhaps a new sense of animosity, but the Yemarae simply aren't equipped materially or culturally to invade anyone as of yet.

@Crispy Octopus

Ah, I see.

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@Letter BeeHmmm, would your story be disrupted if there are a large number of Centaur nomadic raiders on the West?
They might be not be involved in your pan-sapience the same way orcs did since Centaurs were actually the dominant species but it's possible they used goblins as their most common type of servant.
How does it sound?

@Willy Vereb

The story would be enhanced, not disrupted, actually; I like it!

Although I'll be candid, my main preoccupation is Trebla, so I really hope that other threats don't distract me from it.

@Crispy Octopus

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@Letter BeeHmmm.

I can modify Yemarae a bit to make things mesh. Hows about this:

A thousand or so years ago the ancestors of the Yemarae started moving out of the Karae Skae and settling lands to the west, generally coexisting with those early cities around your lake. However, over time those Yemarae were assimilated or slaughtered by the Kingdoms and Empires of the west, eventually leaving only the Yemarae of the Karae Skae independent.

The shaman used the history of Yemarae assimilating to start the myth of the traitor, and of Yemarae being slaughtered perhaps centuries in the past to demonize the cultures of the west. However, they would have still traded and maintained limited, but real, contact with nomadic cultures on the eastern side of the Karae Skae. The horde that threatened the League could have come to an agreement with the Yemarae, who had no love for westerners. That horde would be shown the way through the Karae Skae and led to your valley in exchange for a modest fraction of their plunder.

The Yemarae would have been distant and standoffish, but generally non hostile to you before this. Of course, in their minds they were still doing nothing to you. Anyway, the horde that besieged your cities is defeated and their vassals freed. Their survivors flee into the Karae Skae and find refuge among the Yemarae, something you learn of after you've united the league.

Entering the RP the Yemarae would still be distant and standoffish, but now there would be real and mutual animosity as the surviving nomads integrate with the Yemarae and the league learns the circumstances of the nomads passage through the normally dangerous Karae Skae. There would be a real tension that could be interesting IC.

Thoughts?

@Crispy Octopus

I like it, but what would stop the Nomads from being seen as bad people by the Yamarae as well?

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<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>It wasn't meant to start an argument to begin with and especially I wouldn't mention gorgenmast with that post because it wasn't specifically issued to him. That would be the equivalent of deliberately looking for a fight.
So... let's just not do that, okay?

@Willy Vereb

I did think it was specifically issued to him, but all right, let's not do this.

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@Letter Bee

Ok cool, so basically the idea here is the Yemarae are working on an old oral history. They literally see everyone around them as twisted aberrations or traitors because to them all of humanity was born from the carcass of Raehe, and they are the original children of Raehe. The shamans have a substantial grip on the culture of the tribes, and they use ancient oral histories, perhaps dating back thousands of years, to reinforce the idea that the Yemarae are peaceful and just and the rest of the world has been taken from them by the wicked.

Now, with that in mind the Yemarae may have even attacked you and not the other way around. It wouldn't be anything so dramatic as all the tribes moving west but perhaps from time to time a chief has tried to 'take what is due' or 'cleanse the wicked' or what have you.

@Crispy Octopus

I see, but my original vision was for the League of Cities of Sapientkind to be founded after several hordes of Steppe Nomads tried to use the cities in question as a source of tribute, with one of them bringing in Orcs, Ogres, and Goblins. Said Steppe Nomads could have used the direct route to the Great Lake from the East, but it's possible that they may have passed through the Yamarae claim as well.

That and the Yamarae's presence may prevent my nation's ideology, Pan-Sapience, from forming in the first place or taking root, which would be a contradiction.