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As someone in the anime and manga community, I've heard a lot of discussion and arguing about the pros and cons of using AI in the creation of art. I'd kind of like to know how people feel about the use of AI for visuals in RPs. For example, creating a picture to set up a scene for a RP.
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I feel like since we're specifically talking about RPs, that makes this discussion a lot simpler.

The two biggest cons I've heard for using AI art generation are that said art is technically made with stolen images, and the results tend to be on the generic side.

The former point has been discussed enough, but I guess we can address it here in part. It's stealing in a way. Even if the art is being pulled from various sources to make something new, it's still just a bunch of tiny stolen pieces of art. Having said that, I'm unsure if that's a problem for forum roleplayers. People have been taking artwork and saying "this is my character" since the hobby started. If you don't think taking a random picture and making it your FC is immoral, then there's no issue here.

As for the latter. I saw someone create Senator Palpatine in the style of Naruto. And it did a nice enough job. His face looked smoother than Palpatine's, and he looked far more like a ninja than a sith lord, but you could see what the AI was trying to do. That's to say it's no stand in for a paid commission or searching your favorite art hub for pictures. But if you aren't too picky, sure, it can get something for you pretty quick.

While I have some pretty complex feelings on AI art, it's a tool and how/if you should use it is going to be a case by case basis. I would never use it personally, but I also understand not every GM wants to hunt through pinterest for the perfect FC for an NPC, or a picture for a piece of scenery.
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>Tool's a tool. Use it, don't use it, who really cares ultimately? The universe certainly doesn't.
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@Dat Yellow Boi @BrokenPromise more or less stated my thoughts on this. Regardless if you despise AI art or not, people have been "stealing" FCs and other images for roleplay for God knows how long. In the context of roleplaying and nothing else, if people have been fine with taking random images off the internet for their roleplay characters or scenery, then drawing the line in the sand at AI art for roleplay purposes sounds somewhat hypocritical.

That said, most AI art is awful compared to the real thing. It saves you time that you would've spent looking for the perfect picture, yes. But you also get fucked up hands and broken bones a lot of the time. And with anime art in particular, a lot of it is same-ish, same shading, same style, etc. It all looks so much alike to where I rather just use regular, human-made art than AI art.
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If you're using an AI to write an RP scene, then you shouldn't be RPing. RPing is a hobby. If you're not enjoying it enough to do it yourself, then stop doing it.

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If you're using an AI to write an RP scene, then you shouldn't be RPing. RPing is a hobby. If you're not enjoying it enough to do it yourself, then stop doing it.


>This has more to do with using it to generate images in order to help set a scene, not using something like ChatGPT to write a post for you.

>Otherwise I agree. If you can't even be assed to write your own shit, fuck off.
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>This has more to do with using it to generate images in order to help set a scene, not using something like ChatGPT to write a post for you.

>Otherwise I agree. If you can't even be assed to write your own shit, fuck off.


Oh if it's AI art I'm against that on principal, but if people want to put in a prompt in a word generator to set up a scene, and as long as they don't copy/paste, then I don't see the major problem in that.
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Oh if it's AI art I'm against that on principal, but if people want to put in a prompt in a word generator to set up a scene, and as long as they don't copy/paste, then I don't see the major problem in that.


>I'll admit that I have a laxer view when it comes to AI "art" than AI generated text. The art is whatever (genuinely shit in most cases if we're being completely honest and not buying into all the internet fearmongering or overhyping), and even if I were an artist or animator I don't think I'd care, since it could help streamline certain things as that one Corridor Digital video showed. Not to mention has a long way to go to match a human. When it comes to writing though, it's even lazier than copying and pasting in my opinion. Like you can't even be bothered to work your gray matter long enough to visualize a scene, let alone write it out in a post? Or for a more specific example, using something like ChatGPT to generate whole CYOA's or Jumpchain documents instead of designing either one personally, which results in the most generic and nonsensical content I've had the misfortune of reading.

>I get how an artist might call the art aspect of AI generation lazy, but hey so is doing shit on a tablet or in a program like Blender compared to what the greats of history did. They went out and painted or carved, meanwhile all we do is click. Same could apply to writing actually come to think of it.

>Getting right down to it, we're all lazy hacks.
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>I'll admit that I have a laxer view when it comes to AI "art" than AI generated text. The art is whatever (genuinely shit in most cases if we're being completely honest and not buying into all the internet fearmongering or overhyping), and even if I were an artist or animator I don't think I'd care, since it could help streamline certain things as that one Corridor Digital video showed. Not to mention has a long way to go to match a human. When it comes to writing though, it's even lazier than copying and pasting in my opinion. Like you can't even be bothered to work your gray matter long enough to visualize a scene, let alone write it out in a post? Or for a more specific example, using something like ChatGPT to generate whole CYOA's or Jumpchain documents instead of designing either one personally, which results in the most generic and nonsensical content I've had the misfortune of reading.

>I get how an artist might call the art aspect of AI generation lazy, but hey so is doing shit on a tablet or in a program like Blender compared to what the greats of history did. They went out and painted or carved, meanwhile all we do is click. Same could apply to writing actually come to think of it.


No matter how you slice it, typing in a prompt so something else can make the art for you is just not doing art. You can make the argument that doing things on tablets makes it easier, but it's still doing art. Any prompt to content generation is just writing a prompt. You have made nothing. All it is, is flooding artist spaces with stuff you didn't make, made from other stolen art.

As for the copy/pasting writing, I agree with you there.
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No matter how you slice it, typing in a prompt so something else can make the art for you is just not doing art. You can make the argument that doing things on tablets makes it easier, but it's still doing art. Any prompt to content generation is just writing a prompt. You have made nothing.

As for the copy/pasting writing, sure, I agree.


>True, true. And don't get me wrong, by laxer I don't necessarily mean all for it. If given a choice between prompt or commissioning an actual artist, I'm going with the artist every single time. The quality is better, it's less random and more personalized, and you know actual work goes into it as opposed to a prompt. I just don't feel the same strong amount of hate for it as most. As for the writing part, my main issue isn't even with the tool. ChatGPT is what it is, which is to say garbage my sleep deprived ass could outdo with a few hundred words, it's more so the laziness the person using it shows that bothers me.

>Though having said that, I'm starting to see where artists are coming from. Even if I don't agree that AI will replace such a vital part of human culture entirely like so many seem to believe.
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If you're using an AI to write an RP scene, then you shouldn't be RPing. RPing is a hobby. If you're not enjoying it enough to do it yourself, then stop doing it.


Tbh this.

I can understand why people would use AI for scenery pictures or whatever, but if you're using it to write your own posts why are you even bothering to RP lol
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Tbh this.

I can understand why people would use AI for scenery pictures or whatever, but if you're using it to write your own posts why are you even bothering to RP lol


Honestly true... albeit i did hear about a guy using chatgpt to write a book and then sell it but that is another story.
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Honestly true... albeit i did hear about a guy using chatgpt to write a book and then sell it but that is another story.


Haven't heard of that one. Though, I've heard the news about the one person who lost their comic book's copyright or something because they were using AI art.
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just learn to write good narrative description ffs you don't have to spend all this time in looking for an image when you can just, like, actually describe the setting.

Or don't even bother getting that into the weeds. You can get away with just not describing things in intense details and just do
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Do whatever you want.
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If you do it in my RP and I find out, that's a whoopin'.
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If you do it in my RP and I find out, that's a whoopin'.


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So, I have ChatGPT plus and access to version 4. I put 3 posts of mine into it from my 'The Spirits Within' roleplay. I let it analyze my writing, and then I asked it to write a simple post for my character where she fights some monster. Here's the result, if anyone is interested in seeing how it does.





I'm not the best writer, to say the least, but there's certainly a noticeable difference.
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