The Rape of Nanking

[El Taco Taco]

Also, have you not considered what it would be like to be the dragon as opposed to the knight?

@SillyGoy

Holy shit, dragons aren't real. There is a fundamental difference between writing about a make believe, amoral being doing abhorrent shit than writing out the actual rape and subjugation of people in detail and rewarding players for doing worse and worse things.

Way to undermine the suffering of thousands for "just a collaborative writing exercise", asshole.

[Woundwort]

Guys, c'mon, it's just a collaborative narrative writing exercise.

Also, have you not considered what it would be like to be the dragon as opposed to the knight?

@SillyGoy

This isn't a dragon. The IJA aren't dragons.

Dragons have a dignity to them, unlike yourself evidently. They restrict themselves to burning down the occasional village or making off with the occasional maiden. Evil, certainly, in those settings where they are intelligent (in others they are presumably following their instincts and cannot be blamed) but nowhere near the level of sadistic, cruel, degeneracy the the IJA reached in Nanking. Not mention...they don't exist.

In short, as someone who likes to play the dragon now and then: Don't associate people like me with this game. At all. We have our standards. Again, unlike yourself evidently.

[Haru Nyan]

A huge part of my brain is just shouting:
"This is bait. This HAS to be bait."

But another part of my brain is thinking that this is all legit. And I'm scared to think that.
And here's me throwing my two cents in,

"Also, have you not considered what it would be like to be the dragon as opposed to the knight?"

I'm sure there are much MUCH better ways to do that. Maybe with an actual knight and dragon, some fantasy, yes? Not...whatever this is.
Jesus, I swear we're all puppets dangling in this string. Is this a test to see how sensitive we are? Because if it is, kudos.

[Plank Sinatra]

Guys, c'mon, it's just a collaborative narrative writing exercise.

Also, have you not considered what it would be like to be the dragon as opposed to the knight?

@SillyGoy

>Come on, Chinese RPer, haven't you ever wanted to be the one holding the sword!

I knew trolls. Trolls are friends of mine. Good sir, you are no troll.

You're just a /pol/ dancer who can Google search "war crimes" and put together a karma system. In another life you would have been a useful punching bag on an imageboard, but here you're just a petty little hack who nobody is going to even jokingly try to support. You've outed yourself as a bona fide sociopath and asshole now, so the best thing to do is probably leave this thread now. Take a walk outside. Enjoy the sunshine. Then walk back inside and drink a big bottle of turpentine. Your throat is going to close up and you're probably going to want to call for help, but I have faith in your resolve, young grasshopper. Take the batteries out of your home phone and chug the whole damn thing until your eyes burn too much to stay open. The people who get to stay in the gene pool for adult swim will honor you for your selflessness.

I'm done chewing your bait.

[Onarax]

Guys, c'mon, it's just a collaborative narrative writing exercise.

Also, have you not considered what it would be like to be the dragon as opposed to the knight?

@SillyGoy

You wanna make a point like that?

You don't freaking do it like this.

And you need to have a purpose in doing so, cause those people are monsters.

You don't glorify them. You condemn them.

Take Battle Royale or Spec Ops, both are filled with atrocities.

So they can condemn them.

And both are set in a fictional setting, cause you don't use a real world event that scarred many people, many of whom are still alive, as the testing ground. That's the equivalent of just saying "screw you" to all the innocent men and women whose lives were ruined.

You should never base your fun off the suffering of others.

[SillyGoy]

I'm sure there are much MUCH better ways to do that. Maybe with an actual knight and dragon, some fantasy, yes? Not...whatever this is.
Jesus, I swear we're all puppets dangling in this string. Is this a test to see how sensitive we are? Because if it is, kudos.

@Haru Nyan

I've been wanting to do a fantasy RP for a while but I've never quite managed to get the words flowing with those.

A big motivator for making this RP proposal is that I've recently read Iris Chang's book, "The Rape of Nanking."

I do not condone the war crimes that happened during the period. I simply find the whole thing to be fascinating from a historical point of view, and I also want to see what people would write up when they are put into the same level of power as the IJA over Nanking's population during the time.

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Holy shit, dragons aren't real.

@El Taco Taco

Well, of course, but that statement was a metaphor.

[Woundwort]

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I've been wanting to do a fantasy RP for a while but I've never quite managed to get the words flowing with those.

A big motivator for making this RP proposal is that I've recently read Nancy Chang's book, "The Rape of Nanking."

I do not condone the war crimes that happened during the period. I simply find the whole thing to be fascinating from a historical point of view, and I also want to see what people would write up when they are put into the same level of power as the IJA over Nanking's population during the time.

@SillyGoy

Bullshit.

Utter bullshit.

You designed a goddamn system that encourages atrocity, you don't want to see what would happen, you want fuel for whatever sick urges nature was unkind enough to inflict on you. This isn't about an experiment or curiosity, this is just base sadism.

[Krayzikk]

If you really want to read about what people do when given authority and the ability to abuse it, go read up on the Prison Experiment. Disturbing shit, but it demonstrates a few things. But experiments like it were banned for a reason. You might think "oh it's harmless on the internet", but it's offensive as fuck. And frankly, you'll get the same fucking demonstration in a book as you would from an RPG.

So no, you don't get to pull the "social experiment" line.

Get the fuck out.

[SillyGoy]

@Ophidian

The system I devised also rewards kindness. I did mention that karma is put into play as the Far East Tribunal will hunt down erring players at the end of the RP. I am also encouraging players to have a wide influence over the Massacre and its extent - and even over its existence - in that I am allowing people to play as Colonels who command Battalions of up to 1,000 men or more. Colonels have lots of political weight in any military.

If requested, I can allow the ranks of Brigadier and Major General to be available for play.

Edit: Sorry, I was wrong. Colonels command Battalions of 1,000 men, while larger commands are in the realm of Generals. I have edited the Character Sheet accordingly.

[El Taco Taco]

Reducing the real suffering of people to fascinating , as if they and their history are amusing little thought experiments or playthings, says so much about your character. Or rather, your complete lack of it.

We have a lot of historical evidence of what happens when one group is given total power over another. This "game" does nothing to further discourse, to examine things critically and learn lessons from the trauma, to promote healing. There is nothing to be gained by turning it into a scored game, and your desire to see what others would do is disguting.

Don't lie about why you're doing this. At least own up to the fact that this is you trying to get your rocks off. And then take a long look at yourself and get yourself into therapy so you can figure out why you are so morally bankrupt and callous that this ever seemed like a good idea.

[cerozer0]

@SillyGoy

Why are you still trying to defend yourself? Do you not see the blaring issues present within this offensive piece of shit of an interest check? I was certain this was a troll of some kind but now I'm getting uncomfortable vibes that you actually think this is a good idea.

[Yuritopia]

@SillyGoy
How appropriate that you've been a member of this forum for 666 days.

[Hank]

Here on the Guild, we don't believe in policing content, unless it violates the (very few) rules that we do have. Stuff like sexual content has been a problem for the site's continued existence in the past, so we obviously put a lid on that. Normally, however, gore is fine. If people want to describe a gruesome torture and execution in explicit detail, they are free to do so.

This, however, is so wildly distasteful that I won't allow it. The Rape of Nanking is a very serious atrocity, made even worse by the fact that the government of Japan refuses to acknowledge it ever happened. Additionally, creating a roleplay on the sole premise of describing warcrimes for points is so base and vile that, like many others here, I'm repulsed. This has no class. It doesn't belong anywhere civilized eyes can see it.

I will leave this thread open for a few more hours to allow people on both sides of the argument to reply, but after that I'm closing it, and if I ever see this roleplay coming to life there will be consequences.

[Woundwort]

The system works, ladies and gentlemen.

And whatever the fuck the "GM" is.

[Punished GN]

This RP is 2edgy4me.

Just so you know, the Japanese military had a different ranking system than the one you presented (While, translated, it is similar, there's still a few things to note).

Other than that, I'm outta here. Before I get cut on all this edge.

[Undine]

@SillyGoy

As a Japanese person, I'm one of the first people to admit that my country has done heinous acts in the past. It's definitely a stain upon our history, and obviously something that people don't like looking back on. Nevertheless, it's an important event that shouldn't be ignored.

But holy shit, I doubt that this is the way people should be made aware of this.

People do absolutely horrible things during wartime. That's an indisputable fact. But not only are you spitting upon the victims of this atrocious war crime by making a game out of it, you're also demonizing the Japanese. And frankly, that's something I'm absolutely not okay with. Yes, while you point out that not everyone may have participated, it still makes me deeply uncomfortable that the basis of this is that everyone is a fucking horrible person.

And that offends me greatly on a personal level. I don't like seeing my culture reduced to a single event, and being categorized as one thing. It's racist, to be blunt. Again, Japan did horrible things--I'm well aware of the fact. But it's not right to exploit it like you have. Like, I feel guilty as shit right now for some reason, despite the fact that this happened years before my birth. And that's not okay.

My concern with the Japanese race being involved with this comes second. I'm more deeply concerned with the fact that you think that there's some sort of enjoyment to be had with ranking/rating how horrible a person can be. There are tasteful ways to do war roleplay, but this isn't it.

It's called being ethical. Since you seem to be unaware of what this means, here's the definition for you. "Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong." Yes, history can be fascinating. And social experiments can be fascinating. But as a psychology major, let me tell you that there are reasons why certain social experiments can't be performed: It's not ethical. While this is a roleplaying community, and we have a bit more free reign over what we can and can't do because it's all fiction. That being said, I think that the community's consensus is that this is seriously fucked up, and people don't want to partake in it.

If you can't tell that from the reactions by the community, I don't even know what to tell you.

[Haru Nyan]

I knew it was only a matter of time.
Still, a part of me thinks that this was all a test or that it was made just to illicit reactions.

[Yuritopia]

@Hank
Hear! Hear!

[SillyGoy]

@Hank

Thank you for your calm and civilized response. With so much hatred, vitriol and namecalling from the rest of the posters, I was fearing the same retaliation from the mods and an immediate whack from the banhammer.

[Punished GN]

With so much hatred and vitriol from the rest of the posters,

@SillyGoy

When you post something as ridiculously insensitive as this, that's a given.