World-Building Section

[skidcrow]

@Holy Soldier This is the last time I'm going to respond to this, since you're now explicitly saying "if you don't share my opinion, gtfo", which is not how debates or discussions work.

The Test Forum is not only the 'unofficial world building forum'. If you'd actually look in there, you'd see a thousand other threads that aren't world building threads. Just wanted to clarify, since you seem to be running under the assumption that it's obsolete, and that "nobody uses it for its original purpose".

As I've said before, a world building forum is simply unnecessary right now. If it was to be made, how many people would actually use it? 4? Maybe 5 if we're feeling generous? Somehow, I doubt that Mahz would want to add another subforum that falls flat on its face and rarely gets used.

As for your complaints about the Character Sheet forum and Roleplaying Discussion being in the Off-Topic part of the site - it's a non-issue. Frankly, I'd like them to stay there. The Roleplaying section is for roleplays only, I don't want it to be cluttered up with discussion and character storage. Of course, that's my personal opinion that doesn't align with yours, so you're probably not going to listen.

Now, like Inkarnate asked, don't ping me or try to drag me back into the discussion. I'm done wasting my time with talking to a broken record.

[Holy Soldier]

Hopefully now, we can have some civil discussions in here.

[Ammokkx]

Hopefully now, we can have some civil discussions in here.

@Holy Soldier

Civil discussion or unanimous disagreement?

[ArenaSnow]

Hopefully now, we can get back to making this thread an echo chamber of yes.

@Holy Soldier

...instead of an echo chamber for disagreement from more or less everyone who posted so far.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And while doing so, address my points, as without doing so, you prove yourself invalid and the premise of this being a reasonable discussion a farce. Am I being blunt? Yes. I tend to be when you flat out ignore people's points.

[Holy Soldier]

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Why are you asking the primary critic of the idea to leave, while you, its primary supporter, continue to post things? Are you not adding more by posting?

@ArenaSnow

You're not adding more by posting lol.

And further, why completely bypass my questions simply to attack my presence? It leads to an easily formed perception that you're trying to get rid of an irksome pest who is disagreeing with you.

@ArenaSnow

You feel attacked because I pointed out how you have been repeating the same comments and haven't really evolved your discussion? Since you were getting so offended and upset, I said maybe you should ignore this conversation since it offends you so much.

Including you. If you have something new to add, it stands to reason that perhaps I have something new to add. And I have unanswered points.

@ArenaSnow

You haven't added anything new lol.

Hardly. It takes two minutes for me to make a reply, in between preparing to go to work (speaking for this morning). I strongly believe that this change is not needed. You plainly believe otherwise. So long as we're both in this thread and replying (you replying to others, me making a response to you) then perhaps there is still something to talk about.

And really, if we ran out of things to talk about, the next step would be to bring in the silent supporters who have been utterly absent thus far. As I said to someone in PM on the same matter on discord,

@ArenaSnow

This right here ^ is about you feeling like you're contributing to the conversation when you're trying to destroy it because you don't agree with this discussion even existing. Therefore, I offered that you not bother with it since you're clearly now just talking about how you are "replying" and not how you are replying to the topic "World-Building."

The supporters have refused to enter this thread because of the hostility you and the other players who normally troll the discussion forums have shown. They do not want to get involved. So when I was saying they would because it seemed like they would post, they chose not to because of the negative atmosphere. I am trying to get rid of that negative atmosphere to turn this back into a pleasant discussion whether people agree or disagree. Even with the former writers disagreeing, they were able to do so civilly. The people who have left so far were not civil and I'm glad they left. If you're the next one, then that just puts more positivity back on this discussion.

But I'm not going to continue to "entertain" you if you are offended. If I choose not to respond to you, then I'm sorry. It's something you'll just have to deal with.

[Dion]

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...instead of an echo chamber for disagreement from more or less everyone who posted so far.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And while doing so, address my points, as without doing so, you prove yourself invalid and the premise of this being a reasonable discussion a farce. Am I being blunt? Yes. I tend to be when you flat out ignore people's points.

@ArenaSnow

the whole premise of 'more sub forums more more' was a farce to start with

[Kuro]

@Holy Soldier

People having differing opinions =/= trolling. This was a pleasant discussion until you called people out for bemoaning it.

[Ammokkx]

@Holy Soldier aight, since you chose to gloss over my post, I guess I'll be a bit more detailed.

You're pretending like only a few select people are disagreeing with you on this topic, while I've instead seen pretty much everyone voice their concerns on this proposed section and why it is a bad idea. I, too, am not in favor of cluttering the site with needless sections that have their purposes fulfilled elsewhere. Especially when the section in question is so niche it's hardly worth bothering with at all, as only Advanced-level roleplayers would even consider using it.

Though I don't have anything to say on the matter that hasn't already been said, you need to realise when you're fighting thin air. You're doing nothing but trying to shut down critique of your idea while failing to realise why it's a bad idea to begin with. You're so set in your ways that you don't see you're in the extreme minority.

Fact of the matter is, most of use, if not all of us, don't want this. You wanting this is not going to convince us we want it too. None of the arguments you have presented have convinced anyone other than yourself. You're not only making an issue of a non-issue, but you're also vehemently defending this issue like your life depended on it.

tbh, if anyone's offended, it's you.

[Todd Howard]

The supporters have refused to enter this thread because of the hostility you and the other players who normally troll the discussion forums have shown.

@Holy Soldier

[KoL]

@Holy Soldier

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the only one hammering a point insistently here? You are swimming against the tide but keep shout at the ocean to see if it'll get afraid and go out of your way.

You never have been nor ever will be a person open to discussion so don't lie that you don't want people to agree to you.

I could go out of my way to quote all of your threads, RP or not where you add a message more or less on the lines "You don't like what you see here? Gtfo, my thing is my thing and I am not going to compromise or change at all."

If this is not going to be a discussion that can be steered towards points that everyone here seem to agree with and thus would very much likely benefit the whole community instead of feeding your over-inflated, "awesome writer/masterful GM's" ego, what's the point?

Your only achievement was prove that you aren't trying to talk, but demand. Why not stop barking already?

[Dion]

@Ruby can we close this as the OP has become increasingly hostile and the thread is just running circles at the moment and is/has already breached the point of hostility

[KoL]

@Ruby can we close this as the OP has become increasingly hostile and the thread is just running circles at the moment and is/has already breached the point of hostility

@Odin

Seconded. While I can't completely say that I don't find the act of trash talking people fun, there's the spam section for that.

This thread lost its purpose a long ago. The main points that a part of the public agrees with (more tabs and more GM functionality) are already requests done to Mahz a long time ago and more than once. When he gets the time to do it, he'll do it (or don't, laziness is a fatal vice, after all).

This really has no reason to exist anymore.

[Holy Soldier]

As I said, if you don't like this discussion, you don't have to be involved in it. Asking the Moderators to shut down this discussion because you don't like it, is just going to have me put up another so that I can have a pleasant conversation without you making it your mission to not contribute but to shut it down.

[Ammokkx]

As I said, if you don't like this discussion, you don't have to be involved in it. Asking the Moderators to shut down this discussion because you don't like it, is just going to have me put up another so that I can have a pleasant conversation without you making it your mission to not contribute but to shut it down.

@Holy Soldier

If you put up another that'll prolly be seen as spam and will just cause it to get locked again as the majority consensus is that, no, this should not happen.

[KoL]

As I said, if you don't like this discussion, you don't have to be involved in it. Asking the Moderators to shut down this discussion because you don't like it, is just going to have me put up another so that I can have a pleasant conversation without you making it your mission to not contribute but to shut it down.

@Holy Soldier

Are you a masochist or something like this?

Please, choose a hotel anywhere and give me the address, I'd love to whip you into submission, if you like that so much.

[Holy Soldier]

You can't just opt to shut down a thread you don't like. I do have another thread to discuss another topic and if you guys try to troll it, seeing your trend with this one, it'll be made obvious. There's disagreeing and then there's trolling. Trolling is when you are no longer interested in contributing to the discussion and are just trying to get your way, ie. the shutting down of the thread, because "you" are done with it. This is an open discussion. It can be open just like all the other threads are open and you do not have to post in it.

[KoL]

You can't just opt to shut down a thread you don't like. I do have another thread to discuss another topic and if you guys try to troll it, seeing your trend with this one, it'll be made obvious. There's disagreeing and then there's trolling. Trolling is when you are no longer interested in contributing to the discussion and are just trying to get your way, ie. the shutting down of the thread, because "you" are done with it. This is an open discussion. It can be open just like all the other threads are open and you do not have to post in it.

@Holy Soldier

[Kuro]

You can't just opt to shut down a thread you don't like. I do have another thread to discuss another topic and if you guys try to troll it, seeing your trend with this one, it'll be made obvious. There's disagreeing and then there's trolling. Trolling is when you are no longer interested in contributing to the discussion and are just trying to get your way, ie. the shutting down of the thread, because "you" are done with it. This is an open discussion. It can be open just like all the other threads are open and you do not have to post in it.

@Holy Soldier

@Holy Soldier

People having differing opinions =/= trolling. This was a pleasant discussion until you called people out for bemoaning it.

@Poi

You've done nothing but tell anyone who disagrees with you to get out and say their points are invalid.

[Todd Howard]

I'm still waiting on evidence that anyone else actually wants this.

We still have none.

[Holy Soldier]

@PoiI've given you counter-points to your points and you've not read them but continued to post your misunderstandings. Then you get upset. As the OP says, if you get upset, then you don't need to be in here and that no one should entertain you.