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I'll fight her with this young lady...


while that sounds fun and all, I'm a bit busy and tied up. I won't be online at all from august 10th to the 17th, and then after that I have like two days until I return back to school. while I appreciate that everyone wants to throw hands with Anvi, I'm afraid It'll have to wait some other day.
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What character? I've been amassing a group of characters from various settings I'm coming up with over the year so can match most of yours I'm sure.
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@ImportantNobody How about I get medieval on your ass with my knight gal above?

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Okay. This will be a good excuse to not use my own half dragon girl.

Evvie: "take this!!!" *breaths out flames, rodetta just stands there.
Rodetta: "ha, now I've got you!!!" *creates a volcano, Evvie just stands there.
Evvie; "nice hot bath you got there."

Or

Rodetta uses her ability and Evvie randomly falls to the ground, smitten by it. Rodetta wonders why it works and says it usually only works on small drakes or baby dragons. Evvie assumes she is implying that she's really short (being only five feet tall). Could be fun if they were on a team.

By baby dragon, are dragons considered babies at different ages than humans? Evvie's only a teenager so in dragon terms that could be a baby
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The Arena isn't getting a lot of love in this opinion thread about the sub-froums

Apart from the nasty attacks on the community, how can we improve this sub-forum to raise our profile?
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RP Combat is toxic by nature. I say that because all RP be it plot or battle or tabletop is an agreement between two or more players. Basic plot stuff, the players decide what's canon. In battles, the judge gets to decide what's canon and it's up to the players to deal with it or to rage quit. And lastly, in tabletop stuff, the dice and DM mainly decides.

So in a fight where both players want to win, naturally, neither will agree to lose. Unless one, or both of them are mature enough to see where the fault is. But in case that isn't the case, that's why we have judges. With that being said, don't argue with your opponent. Point out the game changer you found to your opponent, if they don't agree with it, then tell the judge. If the judge doesn't agree with it, then forfiet or commence the match.

On that note, why do judges like to make players edit their post? That's why matches never finish. If a player forgets to dodge an attack, then they take the hit. If the hit was lethal, then gg. No resets, that's shenanigans. Idk if that goes on here, but many sites do that and it's not the answer.

What makes RP battles fun and interesting is that it's essentially a game of chess as we all pretty much know. You aren't likely to win by just throwing punches and kicks. It's not impossible to win that way, just unlikely because it's basic. But if you set up something like wetting up the whole arena through the course of a fight with your water powers, then shocking it via technology in the setting, then you're likely to win if you can avoid the shock as well. That's called strategy. In the cases where strategy are involved, it's less likely for the opponent to argue. It's all about outwitting them, and they were bested. And forgetting to evade, or typing a description that wouldn't actually provide a successful evasion or block, would fall under the chess category of I fucked up and made the wrong move. Now I have to accept it.

Players mainly need to learn acceptance and to enjoy the idea of salty runbacks (rematches) and general development within themselves. In a RP fight mainly you develop, not your character, and that's so gratifying. But as is on most sites, no one wants to lose, and the opponent that was shocked will want to edit their post, or try to justify why a shock wouldn't kill them, or BS some sort of miracle escape maneuver. When they could just say, gg, that shit wont be happening next time. I'm proud of my descriptions at least. Hey, you gotta admit that I nailed a solid hit on you, heh.

The only way to fix this is to just RP to challenge yourself more than defeating the opponent. Like any fighting game, if you expect to win most of the time, you're a fool. You're going to lose way more than you win. And naturally, there may be that one guy who never loses, but that shouldn't concern you. Especially if that's never been you. You can expect to win most of the time if you never won a few of the times or even accepted the idea of losing all the damn time. You can't skip steps.

The goal should be to write a fun match, and to make your opponent go damn, you're a tricky bitch aren't ya. If you lose, yet accomplished that, then you won. A nice way to write a fun match is to fight seriously for every three rounds they come together to RP a cool scene for a round or two then back to fighting seriously.

All it really is just being a good sport. Take a hit, express pain in regards to that hit in every other post or so after, try to trick your opponent, work on your blend of description and fluency, and call it a day.

Also, in regards to taking a hit, don't sleep on that idea. Taking hits are often opportunities. If someone is coming in to punch you, and you say you try to grab their punching arm, but miss and take that hit. Well then your arm logically should be close enough to grab their punching arm now. Try to grab that shit, and when they say that they moved their arm before you could grab it, tell the judge because that's not likely. If the judge disagrees with you still, then hell, fight onward or just leave. Life goes on. Or try the same trick only with better wording. Blah, blah.

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I was in a really fun arena rp with Liliya that I didn't mind losing. I'd like another detailed, character-driven arena rp like that. The tournament threw me off because it was just playing to win and that's no fun.

I might try an arena rp again if it was like my first.
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when they call us names
we just continue punching eachother at a turtle's pace

some don't like arena. sure. but the arena lives by the blood of those that do and that's all that matters. arena isn't getting wiped anytime soon and to this date, there isn't someone who could say that they were poorly received here when they actually dipped their toes in the arena - those who bitchin' have an inherent distaste towards the concept of a little spice in your "collaborative writing". we don't need *improving* per se, we just need to, y'know. not be dead, not have kids or two jobs or too little investment or too few members in general. the kind of problems that aren't so easily solved, y'know.

my 5 cents anyways
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More drama would fix it. Like wrestling promos. Catch me out side btw, ya noobs.

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The Arena isn't getting a lot of love in this opinion thread about the sub-froums

Apart from the nasty attacks on the community, how can we improve this sub-forum to raise our profile?

I guess the best approach outside of defaming individuals who don't have any interest or fondness for the section is to try to promote new games that will bring different types of arena players in. When I ran an arena subforum back in the early 00s we had a lot of approaches to bring people in, though admittedly we have a much more no nonsense ruling on bad attitude that isn't really prevalent here (even you have attested to this before that arena has a different approach to OOC conversation).

What is the state of the games in the section? Do you want to bring more story people in or more people who are in it for the competitive sense? How do you want to promote things going forward? Keep in mind even if you make changes as a community it doesn't mean the reputation will change (not that you should care if it does or does not). Sometimes a painting is inaccurate of the greater picture and you just have to deal with that.
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I guess the best approach outside of defaming individuals who don't have any interest or fondness for the section


Personal attacks on 'the community' is more than not having interest or fondness Gowi. Try and be a little honest here.

If you want to become a mod one day I guess the best approach is to judge personal attacks/borderline flaming like you would with any other sub-forum/community that you want to become accepted with.

Also there was reason I tagged actual arena regulars with the question, if you don't partake in these RPs then your insight is going to be limited.
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Also there was reason I tagged actual arena regulars with the question, if you don't partake in these RPs then your insight is going to be limited.


“Arena Regulars” YO! Deme got here damn near yesterday and he a regular! The standards are low. You should be looking for the insight of the people who are not there. There is a reason they don’t wanna hang with y’all. Maybe y’all got bad rep, who knows? Competitive rp makes people butt hurt. People hate to lose and being called out on they bs. Tbh the arena from how I see it wack af cause y’all don’t want it alive. You tagged these “Regulars” but they not making the cut. They not doing 2v2s or trying to make good stories, they not making like Npcs for the arena or making actually titles. Do y’all even update ya records? If you want something to work make it work, put the effort into it. Y’all can still be dicks and toxic, but make shit happen. There is no interactive system, there is no actuall character build, there is no items that can be obtained, no actual title given. You get me, it’s just there.
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Personal attacks on 'the community' is more than not having interest or fondness Gowi. Try and be a little honest here.

If you want to become a mod one day I guess the best approach is to judge personal attacks/borderline flaming like you would with any other sub-forum/community that you want to become accepted with.

Also there was reason I tagged actual arena regulars with the question, if you don't partake in these RPs then your insight is going to be limited.

If you have problems with how some of the users expressed their opinion on a sub-forum they don't really engage with you could talk to moderation staff. Baiting with incendiary comments is counterproductive to your effort and kind of veers across the line of hypocrisy. Also, just because I'm not a “regular” doesn't mean I lack any insight or constructive commentary about the forum. You could start being productive by answering my questions. Requesting things to be limited in a discussion is not only insular but vacuous.

This might be one of the reasons people avoid arena – acting like a “we are tough guys and everyone is too sensitive lol” only to get upset when people think Arena is toxic, problematic, or antagonistic toward other users. If you want to productively engage with people to make the sub-forum better you need to think more critically and constructively.

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“Arena Regulars” YO! Deme got here damn near yesterday and he a regular! The standards are low. You should be looking for the insight of the people who are not there. There is a reason they don’t wanna hang with y’all. Maybe y’all got bad rep, who knows? Competitive rp makes people butt hurt. People hate to lose and being called out on they bs. Tbh the arena from how I see it wack af cause y’all don’t want it alive. You tagged these “Regulars” but they not making the cut. They not doing 2v2s or trying to make good stories, they not making like Npcs for the arena or making actually titles. Do y’all even update ya records? If you want something to work make it work, put the effort into it. Y’all can still be dicks and toxic, but make shit happen.


Yeah, Yeah you know what I mean by 'regular' I mean someone whos experienced with combat based 'non collaborative' combat which you and deme seem to be. Nothing what you said I disagree with the sub forum clearly needs work, but it needs work internally, it doesn't need snark, insults and personal attacks who would probably rather not see the sub-forum exist (not you personally, I mean the comments from that other thread).

And WHERE IS THIS TOXIC COMMUNITY? Y'all cant have your cake and eat it, you cant on one hand say we are non-existent and a vacant/dead forum and then the other hand say we are all toxic flamers 'who doesn't let anyone in'. I feel like its easy to insult a low population forum because you know you can avoid backlash.
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If you have problems with how some of the users expressed their opinion on a sub-forum they don't really engage with you could talk to moderation staff.


That'll be the next step if someone calls an entire sub-forum slurs again.

Also, just because I'm not a “regular” doesn't mean I lack any insight or constructive commentary about the forum. You could start being productive by answering my questions. Requesting things to be limited in a discussion is not only insular but vacuous.


Forgive me if I don't believe you want the absolute best for a sub-forum you see little use for. Weren't you of the opinion that this place should removed/merged a few months back?

This might be one of the reasons people avoid arena – acting like a “we are tough guys and everyone is too sensitive lol”


This sounds pretty baseless, I really hope you have a citation for this.
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Y'all cant have your cake and eat it, you cant on one hand say we are non-existent and a vacant/dead forum and then the other hand say we are all toxic flamers 'who doesn't let anyone in'. I feel like its easy to insult a low population forum because you know you can avoid backlash.

Maybe Arena has had many perceptions across over six years of existing on both “nuGuild” and the original iteration of the site. Perhaps people talk a lot about it (some may be anecdotal and as such bullshit nonsense) and it creates the perception. Maybe it is not just about Arena in its current state but other states it has been in.

Also, I have participated in Arena RP's before; both on this site and several times over the last seventeen years of my activity in the hobby. But I suppose because I don't have a lot of active stats what with me being semi-retired/picky with the format doesn't make my opinion very valid to you. There's a lot of people making different observations about Arena, Dynamo. Not everyone who dislikes it or hears about it or whatever have the same opinion; some think its dead, others think its toxic, and that's probably only two very vocal opinions about it. It is likely more broad than that.
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That'll be the next step if someone calls an entire sub-forum slurs again.

Forgive me if I don't believe you want the absolute best for a sub-forum you see little use for. Weren't you of the opinion that this place should removed/merged a few months back?

This sounds pretty baseless, I really hope you have a citation for this.

I will gladly make citations and elaborate for you. I will start with my opinion and what I have publicly stated in the past.


As you can see I was in support of a minimization/merger, but I believe this was also before I tried to actively participate (two arena roleplays that did not work out that were largely my fault, by the way). I was pretty transparent how it wouldn't be received well by regulars of the section. I don't think my opinion is largely the same at this point in time. As for Arena's attitude problem? Xavier and yourself pretty much were clear in how it is an issue and painted the subforum as it is now commonly percieved.



I hope these citations were valuable to our dialogue. If you need more information the thread is located here. If you have more questions about my current perspective I would be happy to elaborate as long as we keep replies productive, civil, and well-intentioned.
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Aye Chibi ain’t insulting shit, chibi just looking for shits and giggles. Ima actually quite the love’s me character if you ask me. I’m only in this thread cause I want the areana to be active so I can put my name at the top than leave even though my record is already flawless as you can see I’m 0/0/0. The L’less king.
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You ever saw the discord arena? You had a group of people who didn't participate in anything here shitting up the joint over stuff they personally didn't like. The arena is caked with some bullshittery off the jump and I experienced that just hosting a tournament on it. Inkarnate is trying to reason with you on the basis that the critiques of the arena shouldn't be taken any further than just that, but you cannot have both where you want insight but then snub commentary from others even if it's outside. You want to improve the arena?

Kick out Rilla. That's straight facts.

Your arena doesn't have an updated stats and no real uniformity. People can get away with stuff all the time at least up until a specific point. There's no incentive to play unless there was a tournament and 2 tournaments out of 3 failed miserably from 2017 to this year. There's no organization. Players don't want to compete and try-hard because it "isn't fun" but then likewise want to be in the arena -- a whole section dedicated to try-hards and winning. Arena regulars and its critics have the same issue and that's snobbery and elitism. There's an outreach missing because neither group gives it each other a chance. I had good interactions with Inkarnate and a few non-arena regulars as well as made new contacts with some of the arena players, but all of whom were nice, reserved, and easy going. Toxicity in "arena" play exist for a select group of people, but generally the rest of us can coexhist with one another even if we don't agree with each other. There's toxicity in the other sections (I got some info on that Expanding Horizons and nonsense pooling from other sections) so really it isn't a natively arena thing.

Start with redoing the entire stat section
Make Rilla step up or step out. Arena needs a moderator who wants to push things forward
Arena roleplay should be encouraged (story incentive for those who don't understand how free-form works)
Organization (get players to book matches, establish default rules if any, profile sheets)
Do something about players who aren't about that arena but contribute to its drama (one of those people were dealt with thanks guild)
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Yes I'm very aware of that exchange.

Now Xaiver Bloodbayne is one person, and lets remember that later on in that thread he aplogised for his words, you were present for that too correct?

And yes, in a very short-handed way I did tell him not to treat a civil debate like an Arena roleplay. That shouldn't be confused with thinking that everyone in the Arena acts like that outside of IC, you don't actually think that do you?

but I believe this was also before I tried to actively participate (two arena roleplays that did not work out that were largely my fault, by the way). I was pretty transparent how it wouldn't be received well by regulars of the section. I don't think my opinion is largely the same at this point in time.


Well thanks for being honest, but people having one or two bad experiences in this forum and then using that as a way to call this entire sub-forum toxic is pretty prejudiced and short sighted.
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