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4 yrs ago
Current Congrats to my X-Men peeps! 2 years and over a 1000 posts later and we are heading into our 5th story arc!
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6 yrs ago
RIP Stan Lee... You will forever be missed. As someone whose grown up reading Marvel comics, you've always have kind of been a part of my life. Thank you for making most of the Marvel heroes we know.
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Name: BlueSky44
Aliases: Blue
Age: Mid 20s
Birthday: October 27
Gender: Female
Occupation: Dog Groomer
Languages: English
Current Bio Theme: Five/Emily Kolburn
Previous Themes: Remy LeBeau (Gambit)
Years Rping: Too many
Preferred Rp Section: Casual



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No one (aside from me the GM and my Co-GM helping me with updates) play canon characters from the comics or movies (this universe is kind of a hodge podge of both) everyone plays original characters. We are actually at a point where bringing in newer characters would be a lot easier if you wanted to submit a character.


Frederick Flynn


Location: New York Sanctum
Skills: N/A


Flynn essentially just glared at Cass, and honestly really wanted to punch someone. With what she was saying, he was close to either punching her or hitting her with a fireball, he hadn't decided which yet. All that mattered was that at the moment, they were with a horrible group of people, and no sane person would be perfectly fine with this. Then again everyone else was basically crazy at this point, so who would expect anyone to actually make any sort of rational decisions. This was going to end horribly, he was almost positive of that one.

He was still staying fairly quiet, feeling like Cass didn't really deserve a response from him, and he rolled his eyes slightly at the fact that Tinley felt the need to give a big speech of sorts. It was ridiculous in his mind, but he didn't really do much about it. There wasn't anything really to do. Strange's response didn't really answer the question in full, what were they supposed to do in the past to stop Pym from creating Ultron. Flynn had an idea though that he wasn't going to share with the others, at least not yet. He was planning on just killing Hank Pym.





The Lab
Gardner shook her head slightly at Watts snatching the metal out of her hands. She simply put her hands to her side. "You need a few days to calm down, actually... All of you do. I want all of you to take a week or so, and Watts. We can talk about that later, at the end of your little vacation, but you all need one. Everyone needs to calm down, you can't change the past at all, so you need to learn to deal with it and perhaps learn from it."

With that, she headed out the door again, "He might be gone, but you all are helping no one if you decide to just fight against one another like this. You all need to learn to deal with one another and work together, and fast. Otherwise whose to say something like this won't happen again, however that is just my observation," she responded to the others, and it would seem that she was telling the truth about that. However there was still that slight feeling that she wasn't telling them everything, but she said nothing else as she left the room.



Demetria Clarke


Location: Serval Industries - Gardner's Office -> Hallway



"Of course she is, because why the hell wouldn't she? Honestly, there is something seriously wrong about that woman," Sapphire responded, stopping in the hallway where she was currently dragging along Quicksilver. The words about Andrew's death hit her hard. Andrew had always been the one sort of person around Serval who was kind of nice to everyone, even if they weren't very nice to him. The fact that he of all people was the one who was gone, it was a horrible feeling.

"...Quicksilver is secured for the most part, he's not going anywhere any time soon... I'm in the hallway outside of Gardner's office, I was dragging Quicksilver towards the lab where everyone else was," she added to Bella, saying nothing else. She didn't really know what else to say to everyone else. After all, they had their first mission, and it ended horribly and someone was dead because of it. There wasn't anything to really say anymore, or really do.


Sapphire

Location: Hellfire Club HQ F2 -> E3
Skills Ice Manipulation, Hand to Hand Combat



Sapphire rolled her eyes slightly at Havok. "You are all bark and no bite, honestly, you make stormtroopers look like they are expert shooters!" she said towards him with a bit of a laugh, before she got a different idea and looked out the window. This whole plan had been a mistake from the get go, who thought that infiltrating the Hellfire Club's main headquarters was a good idea? Not to mention the fact that freaking Emma Frost, a telepath, probably could have figured them out easily!

Her hands started glowing with a white frost, and she pointed her hand out to the balcony, and after a few moments, there seemed to be a slide of ice that went all the way from the balcony to the ground. "Everyone, we have got to get out of here, I can handle the horrible storm trooper over there! Slide down to the ground and go!" she said, nodding her head towards Havok. With that she charged straight at Havok, managing to tackle him to the ground.



Jack Theriot

Location: Mutant Underground First Floor
Skills: N/A



Jack let out a sigh at Sunshine's comments. "Not all humans are bad Rookie... Just like not all mutants act for good causes," he said, shaking his head slightly at her. He understood her frustration and anger, hell he was more then a little pissed off about everything that had happened. Everything with Erg, all that had happened in the tunnels, Jack couldn't help but blame himself for. Maybe if he didn't constantly go up to the surface, the Purifiers might not have been able to find the Morlocks.

He said nothing when Sunshine and Blink took off, but he wasn't too surprised when James ended up being the one to show up. Nodding his head slightly, Jack lowered Casper onto the ground so that James could heal him. Though he'd been doing fairly well up until this point, but now his injuries were definitely catching up to him. "You heal Casper... I'm going to see about laying down for a little bit, okay?" he muttered, before he ended up practically collapsing to the ground because of how dizzy he was, but he was still conscious at the moment. He wasn't even really paying attention to the fact that James was healing Casper completely at all.


Queen Valda


Location: Palace Boat Launch
Skills: Lyte Witch Magyk


"I can see if I can track down where Myrus went, no promises on whether or not it will actually work..." Valda said, looking over at her sister, before glancing around once more at everything nearby. She then proceeded to see about using her Magyk to try and get a read on Myrus' location. Though she was certainly hoping that he hadn't wandered off too far, or worse, that he wasn't dead or something. She'd never be able to forgive herself if that was the case.

Using her Magyk she let out a bit of a sigh. "Unfortunately I am unable to locate him... But that doesn't necessarily mean anything... I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to tracking spells..." she said, shaking her head slightly. "As for what it is that those things wanted or were after. I have no idea at all... But we also need to keep in mind there are so many reasons why people tend to go after us..."



Bruce Banner


Location: Ruins of the Palace (3 years in the Future)
Skills: N/A


He glanced downwards, seeing the body of his mother. Bruce didn't really know what to say about everything... The idea that his family might actually end up being killed in some way was not a pleasant one. Especially considering that would have had to mean that his youngest sister Nova had to have died early on during whatever had caused this. "...This is only 3 years into the future... More like a blink of an eye to me really... But... If my family is dying, that would at the least have meant that my sister Nova would have been one of the first to die, as she would never have let any of us die if she couldn't help it... Myth, if this is actually Ragnarok, or something similar to it, the most we can do is post pone it, we might not be able to stop it entirely. As Ragnarok is just an inevitable thing, it can't be stopped as it is the end of time..."

When Ahote mentioned Loki, he flinched slightly. "I'm going to be blunt, my family doesn't have the best history with my uncle Loki... From his fights with Thor to just about every other stunt he's pulled... If he's behind this, then that definitely is not a good thing... Actually, my older sister Halley is currently working on tracking down Loki here on Midgard in the present day. Myth and I were going to help, however I got a bit side tracked by the vampires that attacked the castle. They've all been dealt with by the way, the ones that actually were a threat anyway..."



Sylvi the Bard


Location: The Ramblings Room 847
Skills: N/A


She just followed along after Tate, waiting to see if he would answer her questions. Sylvi just let him lead her to their room, figuring that he might answer all of her questions when they reached the room, but she was sadly mistaken. As he didn't answer her question about why he wasn't in as much danger as she was. It was more then a little annoying that he wouldn't answer that question, but she was somewhat glad that he did sort of answer her other ones as he pulled her into his arms.

Wait, this Violet is really Arya? she asked him in response, more then a bit confused. She had been friends with Arya, despite the fact that they knew different types of magic from each other, they had actually gotten along fairly well. I thought that she was dead Tate... she added a bit softly. I can understand not wanting to go back to her life before and all but still... You should have told me about her being alive sooner...







Up in the sky, two figures were cast in shadow as they rapidly approached the Palace. Despite everyone more or less being required to attend the execution, Princess Lorna had been conspicuously absent for the proceedings. The same was true for her current suitor, a fellow doctorate student studying geophysics named Alex Summers. The figures drifted down to the ground gently, landing in the middle of the fray. The green haired woman sighed slightly. "Father is going to kill me for being late, today of all days..." she muttered.

"Yikes, something tells me this is not going according to plan..." Alex, a tall and confident looking blonde, replied. "Looks like your siblings could use some help."

Pietro meanwhile just looked out around the chaos around him, and he saw Guin, to say he was not too thrilled about her being outside in the chaos where she could get easily injured was an understatement, as Oshea had simply picked Guin and Allison up without saying another word and had raced them outside right where everyone else was, however he had other things to deal with. Namely the people who were currently beating on his twin sister. "Leave my sister the hell alone!" Pietro yelled out, instantly racing into the thick of things and slamming into Runa, knocking her backwards and away from Wanda. He was glaring at her, and was standing next to Wanda right now.

Lorna had seen Guin with the helmet, and using her powers threw the helmet off of her head and crushed it like a tin can. So looks like that plan is out the window at the moment anyway. Alex meanwhile started sending blasts of energy off towards just about everyone. One of the blasts slammed into Max and James by sheer luck breaking through the barrier that Max had created, while another one slammed into Runa. Looks like they weren't too thrilled at having Runa around at this rate.

Sapphire woke up and glanced around confused, "Alright, someone mind telling me what the hell is going on here?" she asked Cass. "Aren't you one of the SHIELD people who were working with the X-Men or something during the whole OMEN fiasco? Do you by chance know how we ended up in a world ran by Magneto which might I add is the worst idea ever?"

"So, you remember some other world too then huh Sapphire? Guess we're leaning towards the fact that you people aren't completely nuts or something..." Flynn said, shaking his head.

"Uh, hey Hulk? Mind putting me down now please?" Lance asked the Hulk once he was done throwing Magneto around. Instead of putting him down, the Hulk ended up putting Lance on his shoulder. "Well, guess this is better then just being carried around or something," he said, letting out a small sigh.

Hawkeye could tell that the group was out matched at the moment, and their goal had essentially been accomplished. He signaled to the others who were still around them to fall back to the base, before he fired off several arrows into the air, creating a smoke distraction of sorts in order to cover their escape.

"...Maybe we should go with them Ally," Oshea said to her, seeing that Hawkeye looked to be covering their escape or something.

Inside the Palace
The stealth group would have no trouble getting inside the Palace, and Shelly would be able to just slip inside after distracting the guards. The place seemed fairly well deserted at the moment, and the group actually wouldn't be too far away from where Waverly was currently. However, whose to say that there wasn't someone, or more of something, standing in their way from getting the info that they needed. For some weird reason in their pathway at the moment was a turtle who looked like he was wearing a small mini crown or something was sitting in the walkway. The turtle looked over at them, slowly turning his head, before he looked down a different hallway. The group would be able to hear a jingling bell of sorts, before a red tabby cat come racing into view. "Mrow?" the cat said once he saw the group. Tilting his head to the side as if to decide if they were friend or foe.

Jade snickered slightly. “A bloody cat and a turtle? That’s the best they could do?”




"I used what was literally given to me, it was better then you just throwing your shoe at the camera!" Jack responded with a bit of an eye roll as they headed inside of the base. "Odds are that the crown isn't going to be in the first few rooms, it probably is in a more central location..." With those last words, he started down the hallway. He was being somewhat careful as he led the way into the facility, they didn't seem to run into any sort of resistance at all.

Eventually, Jack decided to try out a door, and found one that was indeed actually locked. Rolling his eyes slightly, he put his hand to the lock and morphed it so that he matched up the key to the door, and opened it. "...You have got to be kidding me, don't tell me that we actually got that lucky." he said towards Bobbi and Casper, as sitting there on a pedestal in the room was what looked to be a crown with a glowing yellow gem at the center of it.

Now, Mary and Ana weren't quite so lucky, as they would be able to continue along the hallway, footsteps could be heard coming down the hallway towards them. Mary grabbed Anastasia by the arm and pulled her off to the side before a group of 10 SHIELD agents walking in the hallway, the group was more or less blocking their path forward and weren't really moving very quickly out of the way.

"...We need to be careful, otherwise who knows what'll happen..." Mary said softly, looking at the group in front of them.







Overview

Location: Serval Industries HQ, Virginia
Time Frame: End of December 2017 beginning of January 2018, Earth 666
RP Tags: Casual, Large Group, Fantasy, Fandom, Supernatural, Slice of Life
Type: An action role-play that is character driven and takes place in the Skyrose RP universe
Goal: Welcome to the corporate superhero team X-Factor! Go on missions and hopefully figure out who killed the CEO of Serval Industries Harrison Snow.
Age: Characters have to at least be 18 years old.


Premise

In the year 2012, in response to the alien attack on New York, superhero teams of all sorts started popping up around the world. The Fantastic Four, the Avengers, and of course the already formed and fighting group the X-Men, all have been fighting to protect the world from different threats. From alien invasions to mutant terrorist attacks, these groups do whatever it takes to protect the world. However, there is a call for a different sort of team, one that tends to deal more with the smaller threats then global destruction, and one that is owned by a corporation company.

Enter Serval Industries, a large technology company that has been on the rise and its CEO Harrison Snow. They put together the first corporate superhero team, that has since been named X-Factor, meant to help deal with the smaller things initially, and meant to help create a positive image of superheroes for those who think that they just cause more problems.

X-Factor has a rotating roster, heroes come and go on the team, and now welcome to the roster as of 2017. Snow has worked hard to create this image for the team and to show some positivity towards heroes, but now something has gone horribly wrong, and no one knows what to really do about it.

Namely, Harrison Snow’s murder.

There are no suspects in his death, and no one at all in the company seems to be concerned, as a new CEO is put into place, a woman by the name of Rae Gardner, and she is definitely not the kinder more soft-spoken person that Harrison Snow was. Who could have killed Snow, and why would they do it? Not to mention there are reports of items missing at Serval Industries, bits of tech disappearing in the blink of an eye.

So many problems, and with a few new members to the X-Factor team, they have to work together to figure out what is going on at Serval Industries. Perhaps this might also lead to more information on what happened to Harrison Snow, and why anyone would have wanted him dead.



Our World

In this RP, we consider the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies up to and including the first Avengers film to be cannon. There are roleplays that have happened in this timeline as well, forming our own Roleplay Universe (please click here to see the full in depth lore guide for our multiverse). We primarily cross over with the RPs hosted by @Morose. There are nods and small cameos from the other RPs, but you can enjoy it perfectly fine as a standalone one. In our universe, we have known that we were not alone in the world since 2012, due to the Incident. Aliens are real, powered individuals are possible, and almost anything seems to be possible.

O.M.E.N. The Organization for the Methodical Eradication of Necromantics was signed into existence by the President of the United States of America on June 22nd, 2016. Created in response to the Altsoba Massacre, it is O.M.E.N.'s duty to identify paranormal abnormalities in the world that may do us harm and vanquish them. It is a covert organization and underneath the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense, as it is concerned with protecting national security.

Although its founders were experienced hunters, O.M.E.N. has a reputation for being unable to distinguish between peaceful beings and violent ones. Individuals with supernatural or superhuman abilities are often targeted by O.M.E.N. without mercy, as no grey areas of morality are considered. Anyone considered dangerous to the United States and its interests (provided that danger stems from what is considered supernatural and paranormal) can be arrested and charged without trial by O.M.E.N.

Now, onto what you're all waiting for....Powers!

Mutants, also called homo superior, are powered individuals who gain their abilities due to an X-gene. This gene is something that is simply part of their genetic makeup from birth. It can be activated when the individual is subjected to great stress, often during puberty or traumatic moments. It's important to understand that while a mutant's powers can be called a mutation, they were born mutants. They did not mutate throughout the course of their lifetime.

Mutates are those who, as the name implied, mutated to gain powers. This is often due to the presence of electromagnetic radiation outside of the visible spectrum. Encounters with radioactive waste would certainly qualify. It is possible for those with an X-gene to mutate when exposed to radiation or other materials, but it is uncommon and also effectively 'neutralizes' the X-gene.

Inhumans, also called inhomo supremis, are individuals who are descended by unfortunate souls who were experimented on and had their genetic code modified. This unorthodoxy in genetics can be activated through a process called terringenesis, in which the inhuman emerges from something akin to a cocoon with newfound abilities and powers.

Deviances, as they are now understood, refer to (often) extraordinary abilities that distinguish someone from the average human. However, these are not differences on a biological or genetic level. While these can be small things, such as a sixth sense when it comes to healing and knowing what is wrong with the patient, it can be as dramatic as pyrokinesis. Deviances are a result of the shattering of the Cursed Flask in 1719, the shards which were recovered in 2018 by MI13. The flask's contents were said to grant immeasurable power, and with the contents mixing into the air in trace amounts, individuals can sometimes acquire slight abilities from exposure. There is currently no method of explaining why some people gain a deviance and others do not, however. This area of research is still relatively new.

Earth-666: Major Events Timeline (Modern Era)
  • World War II - the events of Captain America: the First Avenger transpire
  • 2010 - the events of Iron Man transpire
  • 2011 - the events of Iron Man II transpire
  • 2011 - the events of Thor transpire
  • 2012 - the events of the Avengers transpire
  • June 20, 2016 - the Altsoba Massacre levels the small town of Altsoba Washington. It is believed to be the work of religious extremists and hallucinogenic drugs. O.M.E.N. is founded and covers up the incident, as the government begins to work on managing the supernatural.
  • October 31, 2016 - the first leaders of O.M.E.N. are murdered by the demon Mephistopheles in a plan to raise the Norse goddess Hel, daughter of Loki.
  • January, 2017 - O.M.E.N. agents, with the assistance of Thalia Maehers, kill Hel.



Rules
* Rules are enforced and you will be removed if you break them.
  • Gm Is Goddess
    • Gm has final say on all matters
    • Gm does check on posting and log in habits
    • If you are holding up the RP and joining other Rp's you will be called on it
  • CS Sheet Provided Must Be Used
    • Use code provided below
    • Do not submit WIP's - Final CS's only
    • Post CS for approval in OOC
    • Only GM approved CS's allowed in CS Tab
    • Change color code to one not in use
    • If you have problems with changing out the color code or any of the coding, just pm it to me and I will take care of it for you.
    • May not use default CS color, any colors currently in use by active characters or that are close to another characters color
  • This is a slice of life rp
  • No anime/cartoon/drawings for face claims. Real life images only (i.e. actors, actresses, models, singers, you name it...)
    • Real Life cause and effect will be in place
    • Realistic Character Sheets Only
    • Things like jobs and skills must fit with characters back story
    • Don't go overboard - seriously, enjoy not knowing things and learning as you go.
  • Language - no use of the n word or other racial slurs. Otherwise, no filters.
  • Gore - No Filters - This will get gross
  • No nudity - if a situation with this comes up, it has to be faded to black and be run by the GM first for approval.
  • Taboo subjects will be crossed but will be maintained to fade to black if needed
  • Romance is allowed but this is NOT a Romance RP - Pg-13, then fade to black
  • Follow All Forum Rules
  • Communication is Key
  • The world is controlled by the GM - All NPC's, weather, what you see, what you find, what happens, everything. So if it isn't in my post, it didn't happens
  • If you wish your character to have "connections" please run it by the GM first to ensure it is acceptable and isn't already being done by another.
  • Randomization and LLA are used in this RP - Please refer to Lady Amalthea's tutorial for a description if you are new to this concept
  • Posting Habits

    • Each post must be backed up to the back up forum or your counter will still be running. GM will provide link to the back up forum.
    • Minimal of 2 well developed paragraphs per post
    • Must IC post once every 7 days (It is your job to keep up with when you need to post. Your last post hits Day 8 and I remove you from the RP.)
    • Under Extras put who your favorite Marvel character is.
    • I do not accept no inspiration as a reason not to post
    • You may NOT copy and paste something from someone else's post and add it to your own. This includes dialogue.
    • You may NOT edit a post without getting permission from the GM.
    • If you are in a case and you take more than 24 hours to respond without notice three times, you will be removed from the RP.
    • Keep up with all IC and OOC posts
    • No word in IC or OOC after 7 days is grounds for removal from the RP.
    • If you need additional time to post you must notify the Gm by day 6 of your counter. Extensions will not be granted after that.
    • No spamming OOC
    • Minimal 2 posts between your last
    • The GM reserves the right to make decisions as to how much additional time, if any, will be granted to post if the forum is glitching. A week to post is plenty of time even if the forum glitches a day or two. But usually, I do tend to be pretty generous about it...
    • Collabs may not be started after your day 5 counter
    • If you are collabing and your partner vanishes or does not reply, you must finish the collab and post it before the timer runs out
    • If your collab partner vanishes you are granted temporary minimal bunnying privileges to complete the collab
    • If your collab partner vanishes, you need to make the Gm aware so it does not count against you
    • Know your personal posting limitations before applying to join
    • If you cannot post, you must contact the GM and make me aware, you will be granted extra time to post (do not take advantage of this) - I realize real life comes first but you know your schedule better than anyone, if you join it is your responsibility to keep up and not hold up the rest of the Rpers. I will work with you, just let me know what's going on
  • Spots are not first come first serve
    • Gm will review completed CS first
    • Gm will review previous Rp's and posting habits
    • Gm will then notify you if you are approved
    • Character deaths will happen, no one is safe - it will be randomized and you will be notified when your death approaches. (This does not mean you are out of the RP, it will mean however you need to make a new character should you wish to continue - I recommend having Back Up Characters Ready)
    • I am looking for long term highly dedicated Rpers. This RP takes place a few years after the role-play Abandoned Hope and Horrors of Coventry.
  • Once Cs's are approved, relation sheet will go up and must be completed and added to CS
  • Rules and Cs sheet will be added to and changed as need be depending on problems or points that come up.
  • Check the discord chat once a day. Invite will be provided by the GM.
  • Under Extras in your CS please post a link to a post you have done in the past to show you have read the rules. If You submit a CS without this it may be declined.
  • Special - To New Comers To The Guild - Pm The Gm for a tid bit to add under extras instead



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Sister Penance
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Location: Next Room
Skills: N/A
Hit Points: 4
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"Well clearly they know nothing about people if they think we'd just sit around and do nothing for hours on end which honestly is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. But that door is unlocked, we might as well do a little bit of exploring, we aren't entirely positive as to where in this horrid manor we are in, so we might as well continue onwards. As for enough items to use to defend ourselves with that much is very true... And I do not know about you, but there might be more well, safety in numbers if we stay together, for the time being anyway," Penance commented.

With the knowledge that the other door was unlocked and now they could move on once more, things were really starting to look up. However, they were still fumbling around in the dark with nothing much that they could really do about that entire thing. If only the dumb lights would come back on, or someone was actually able to create a light source of their own. She made her way through the room, over towards the room that Blush had mentioned being opened. She was traveling somewhat slowly in order to ensure that she didn't run into anyone, as that could be a bit of a problem. Hearing Blush's words about burning the manor to the ground, she couldn't help but laugh. Clearly she wasn't the only one who thought that the manor was a horrible place and needed to be destroyed.


Marygold Isley

Location: Camp Half-Blood - 5D
Skills: N/A



"Clearly they are having some fun," Mary laughed slightly in agreement at the flashes of light that were occurring due to the rainbow lights. It made her think of her own friend who was a daughter of Iris, Leda, and it also made her wonder what exactly it was that she was up to. Probably knocking some Ares kid out if she had to guess, though she wouldn't complain about that at all. Some of the Ares kids are more then a little bit annoying, and part of her was somewhat hoping Leda had knocked Jace out. The guy kind of deserved it.

She glanced over towards where the Athena kids they could see were, and looked back over towards Andy and Eva. "If Andy wants to take the first shot that is perfectly fine with me," Mary said, giving the girl a smile as she nodded her head slightly. This was the sort of thing she herself was more used to, why not let one of the newer people around at camp try and see what they could do. It'll also let Mary see just what this girl could do, she was a bit curious about it.


Frederick Flynn


Location: New York Sanctum
Skills: N/A


"If you were sorry or cared at all, then you wouldn't be alright working with half the people who have joined us in the last few hours and want them dead," Flynn responded a bit coldly towards Cass, still not really dimming down with the flames. He shot a glare at her, and at the rest of the group who had walked into the Sanctum. He wanted nothing to do with anyone in the room since just about every single one of them saw nothing wrong with this and that was a big issue.

However, he did know one thing, he'd only have to deal with one of said group of people if he went for one of the two groups above the other, and that would be the time travel group. The fire finally extinguish itself, and he looked at the others. "I'll go with the group to the past, however excuse me for being a bit blunt considering everything that could possibly go wrong with both groups. But what exactly do you guys think you need to do in the past? I mean, you've got the date, you've got the place, but no one has specified what the hell is actually needing to happen."
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