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Honestly with the way he keeps constantly disappearing that's the first thing you guys should have done.
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@Ambra They have been doing that, though. The issue is that Mahz is the only one who can actually grant that privilege, and historically he has been of the opinion that he doesn't want to give back door privileges.

All anyone can really do, both mod and member-wise, is wait for Mahz to come back or see what Legend might be able to push without needing Mahz. Like the chrome plug-in, for instance.
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Frankly I feel it's very irresponsible/selfish of Mahz to not let anyone try to help when he doesn't even stick around for more than a month and lets the forum rot without him.
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Honestly with the way he keeps constantly disappearing that's the first thing you guys should have done.


I think you underestimate how many messages I have been sending over the past few years to try and get him to stay and complete basic things. (And I'm not talking through the site or Discord's DM services)
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@NuttsnBolts I know it's frustrating for everyone, not just me, but is there any way that he can just revoke privileges.
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I mean, we at least know more this time than last time he left. There's a good chance he'll be back soonish. Let's be calm and let Legend do his thing in the meantime. That'll also make it easier for Mahz to push stuff forwards when he does come back.

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On the flipside, it's selfish of us to expect Mahz to drop irl for the forum. He's been the one paying to keep it up all this time, we should give him some credit. Just like we should give the mods credit for doing their best in the ways they have.
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On the flipside, it's selfish of us to expect Mahz to drop irl for the forum. He's been the one paying to keep it up all this time, we should give him some credit. Just like we should give the mods credit for doing their best in the ways they have.


Ah. Yes. The one paying to keep this site fully hosted. The one that at one point had no money to pay for this to actually stay up. The one that refused donations, causing the site to get wiped. That guy?

You know, the 10th anniversary of guildfall is coming up? Still salty about that.

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Ah. Yes. The one paying to keep this site fully hosted. The one that at one point had no money to pay for this to actually stay up. The one that refused donations, causing the site to get wiped. That guy?

You know, the 10th anniversary of guildfall is coming up? Still salty about that.


... To be honest? I totally forgot about guildfall. My bad.
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@NuttsnBolts I know it's frustrating for everyone, not just me, but is there any way that he can just revoke privileges.


He owns the site, all the keys, and all the access points. Us mods can't do anything of value except ban bots, close threads, and hide posts.
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There's also plenty of problems and I personally don't think just handing the keys off to the current admin/mod team would fix it.

Mahz needs to come back and be present for awhile, but that's probably not going to happen. Thus we remain in a "make the best of a bad situation" situation for another indeterminate span of years.

Ouroboros circles around once more.
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Ah. Yes. The one paying to keep this site fully hosted. The one that at one point had no money to pay for this to actually stay up. The one that refused donations, causing the site to get wiped. That guy?

You know, the 10th anniversary of guildfall is coming up? Still salty about that.


This one was a payment processing error, less so a lack of capital. I blame the hosting provider more than anyone.
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It doesn't surprise me at all that Mahz disappeared again. He has always been flaky, and I still maintain the site would be 1000% better off without him. That is why I offered a while back to purchase the site from him and take over operations. It is all well and good saying that he built the place and that he doesn't want to hand it over, but when you make a community, you now have a responsibility to that community. It becomes a social contract, one that Mahz for some reason, never seems to understand. As a result, this site will continue to stagnate and bleed members. Since no can innovate, or upgrade it. People will move onto greener pastures where new features do exist. I fear this may be the beginning of the end.
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Forums pop up and die on the regular, and even major platforms are not immune to users flocking to other sites. See Tumblr, Imgur more recently, and even Reddit (although they're so addicted their blackout ultimately did nothing). This is hardly the end, it's just another part of the cycle. Also, it'd bleed less if more people got their asses off the Discord and got back into writing actual posts rather than piss poor political takes and shitposts. Half the goddamn Guild is there it seems, and those who aren't eternally offline are busying themselves with bickering over current affairs they've yet to actually change when they could be doing what they originally joined the site to do.

I.E. writing.

I do agree that Mahz should probably cede ownership to someone who's more active, however. A site isn't like an IP for example. You either put in the effort to keep it running and up-to-date, give it to someone who can, or cut your losses and release your lease over the domain before shutting down the server.
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I bigly and enthusiastically agree with you Havoccultist.

Below is my ranting. Helpfully hidden so the folks who never pay any attention can more easily ignore this. Helpfully divided into five subsections and then a little bit about how maybe the circle could be broken. I'm just so helpful.

Problem 1 : Mismanagement (not involving Mahz)

Problem 2 : Divided Userbase (by method of interaction)

Problem 3 : Mahz (as a digital manifestation of mismanagement)

Problem 4 : Who to Hand the Reins To

Problem 5 : An Increasingly Niche Hobby

Here We Goooooo



So how do we solve all/any of this?

1 - Establish a Diverse and Balanced Mod Staff for the Discord / Close the Discord / Abolish Politics and Enforce Rules Evenly (likely via a Diverse and Balanced Mod Staff)

In all fairness this one may be much less of an issue now than it used to be. I've heard good things in recent months and if that shitshow has now been tamed then big hand of applause for whoever tamed the savage beast.

2 - Attempt to direct Discord/Status Bar activity more towards actual RPing and less toward Current Events activities better suited to Twitter. Push contests and similar events more, participation in general.

3 - Nothing. Mahz needs to decide to fish or cut bait but cannot be forced to make that decision

4 - Expand that Diverse/Balanced Mod team to the forum and focus on the community. Introduce democracy so the user base has more say. Help foster an environment where someone might become the next leader after Mahz. Ideally a position where there are several folks who might aptly take the reins.

5 - Just write more. Help Calle make room for more writing contests by setting them up ourselves. Maybe a fan fiction section. The best way to ensure there is more RPing here is to RP more. Discussing Movies and Games and Music is great. Writing shit is better. RP as a band. RP out the movie you want to see or the alternate ending you'd rather have seen. Be the difference you want to see in the world. Other motivational speech sounding type shit. You can do eeeeet.
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To be honest, I'm in favor of just closing the discord altogether and redirecting the energy 100% to the site. To give some reasons why:

A) It's another place for the mods to have to moderate, which takes eyes away from the Guild. We had some chat mods that would fill that role, but to my knowledge there hasn't been any new mods since they quit/retired.

B) We already have roleplay/off-topic discussion sections, which are honestly dying themselves. Having two different places to talk about, say, anime or video games in the same community just creates stagnation in one or the other (sometimes both) as people flock to whichever one is more popular or preferable to them.

C) Every time I've popped in the only channel that has really ever been truly active were the current event/politics channel. They got banned for a reason on the site itself, but on the discord they seem to keep coming back from the dead despite drama happening over the years that the discord has been active.

D) There is certainly a population core in the discord that solely hangs out in the discord rather than the site. You may have friends in there, but if you're going to engage the RPG community, then it should be on the site; not the discord.
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This convo isn't productive anymore. Mahz will be back eventually, we have backup plans, we're actively working in the background to make the site better (for instance, new antispam systems that are difficult to notice from userspace), etc. Just hang tight and RP.
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